SwissCelt ([info]swisscelt) wrote,
@ 2008-01-28 21:06:00
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Dominionism in the Miss Toronto Tourism Pageant
Yeah, you'd think that if you live in Toronto, and you're a Dominionist, you'd learn to keep your religious beliefs to yourself. If you simply could not do that, then maybe the line of work for you is not to be the director of a beauty pageant designed to promote tourism to Toronto. It's just a really bad idea, like being a racist promoter of tourism to Florida, a homophobic promoter of tourism to San Francisco, or an antisemitic promoter of tourism to New York City. Not that it's a good idea in the first place to be Dominionist, racist, homophobic or antisemitic, of course...

But as you can see by the above link, nobody told that to Karen Murray. To read her rants, it's as though Murray has never even seen Yonge Street, even though presumably her job is, in part, to promote it. You see, Murray didn't like the idea of having a judge at the pageant be... well, different.

In Murray's world, everyone submits to her god, and so long as one does not take money from the government one is entitled to be as prejudiced as one wants. Thus in her world she should be excused from retracting her invitation to Stephanie Conover because Murray didn't realize that Conover is a "witch".* In Murray's world, indeed, she should not only be excused this faux pas, but rewarded for thumping Conover over the head with the "Word of God". To the Miss Canada Plus Pageant, who had crowned Conover with the title just last year**, Murray wrote (in part):

"We need a judge who has an upright reputation and we would be proud to introduce to the audience. Our board of directors has eliminated her as a judge as tarot card reading and reiki are the occult and is not acceptable by God, Jews, Muslims or Christians. Tarot card reading is witchcraft and is used by witches, spiritists and mediums to consult the dark world. Do not turn to mediums or seek out spirits for you will be defiled by them. We hope that Stephanie Conover will turn from these belief systems and will repent from her practice of them."

"We just got her bio a week ago and we don't agree with it," Murray told the Toronto Star, which Murray also apparently failed to notice is not exactly the Christian Broadcasting Network. It's not known if Murray was using the royal "we", was speaking on behalf of her god, or-- most frighteningly of all-- was expressing the explicit beliefs of others in her acquaintance. (The Toronto Star suggests the latter, but I'm not as quick to remove this benefit of doubt from the citizens of Toronto.) Murray appeared shocked that anyone would protest this equitable denial, accusing Conover of "stirring up trouble". "[Conover] is obviously a very vindictive person," Murray said. To the suggestion by the Toronto Star that the Pageant was religious in nature, Murray responded, "We adhere to God's principles. We're God-fearing. I wouldn't say we're religious."

Neither would I, Ms. Murray. I'd say you're Dominionist.


*- By the way, it should be noted that the label "witch" is one that Murray applied, not an appellation Conover chose for herself. Conover accepts the label as roughly accurate, saying, "Some would call me a witch, yes."

**- To a rational person, this might have been a sign that the Miss Canada Plus Pageant does not share in the view that Conover is a poor representative to "Jews, Muslims, and Christians," who of course still constitute the majority of Canada's population. But then, rarely has a Dominionist been accused of reason.



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[info]anahata56
2008-01-29 02:33 am UTC (link)
I love this part...

"Asked if her group is a religious one, Murray replied, 'We adhere to God's principles. We're God-fearing. I wouldn't say we're religious.'"

If someone could explain to me just what the fuck that actually means, I'd be grateful....

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[info]saavik
2008-01-29 02:54 am UTC (link)
It is beyond me how anyone could grow up or live in Toronto of all places and be so insular!

There will be a lot of people in Toronto reading that article and considering Miss Fluffhead Murray's pronouncements with a huge block of salt and a great deal of laughter. I expect the reporter who did the interview probably has a mascerated tongue as well.

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[info]swisscelt
2008-01-29 03:12 am UTC (link)
It is beyond me how anyone could grow up or live in Toronto of all places and be so insular!

Ditto that. As an American who's been all over Southern Ontario, I'm impressed by how very cosmopolitan it is. But Toronto, of all places! It's so cosmopolitan it makes Windsor look like... well, Detroit. Hell, it almost makes New York look like Detroit! ;-)

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[info]moropus
2008-01-29 12:23 pm UTC (link)
I can answer this one. Some of the Dominionists reject the word 'religious' as a term applied to them. They think because it has such a broad meaning and can be applied to any set of beliefs that they are above it.

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[info]fizzyland
2008-01-29 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Nothing pisses me off more than the phrase "God-fearing."

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[info]jynxgirl
2008-01-29 03:25 am UTC (link)
Wow...
Have they BEEN to Toronto???
Seriously?
I get more propositions for tarot readings that prostitutes!

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[info]nebris
2008-01-29 04:57 am UTC (link)
Time for boycott and protests, I'd say. Who are their sponsors? Target them as well. And she's a hawty, btw. http://nebris.livejournal.com/2748882.html

~M~

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[info]vorpal
2008-01-29 05:09 am UTC (link)
I wrote to them telling them that I was appalled by their intolerance and that I would write to inform all of their sponsors of this lack of decency for basic human rights, especially when nothing illegal was being done. I followed through, and have already received one reply from Marca College:

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, We have withdrawn from the
pageant.


Good for them. Here's hoping that I hear from some others soon.

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[info]swisscelt
2008-01-29 05:23 am UTC (link)
Awesome. Apparently, one of the other sponsors is actually [info]eirik on [info]wtf_inc. She's trying to figure out a way to lure Murray into her leather shop to show her, in ways subtle to not-so-subtle, that Conover isn't the only Pagan-y sort to have had an association with Murray's group.

I suspect Murray will encounter that all across the GTA.

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lure Murray into her leather shop
[info]nebris
2008-01-29 05:30 am UTC (link)
Tell her there must be pictures!! ;D

~M~

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[info]nebris
2008-01-29 05:30 am UTC (link)
Kudos, sir! =)

~M~

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[info]fizzyland
2008-01-29 08:27 pm UTC (link)
That's awesome - both that you took action and that at least one participating organization has pulled out.

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[info]happydog
2008-01-29 04:59 am UTC (link)
What a dolt that Murray is. The good news is that any kind of so-called Scandal always, in the case of beauty pageant winners, works for the scandal-ee. I don't even remember who won last year's Miss America, but I do remember Vanessa Williams, who still has a quite functional career - unlike most other former Miss Americas. Stephanie Conover is probably even now receiving invitations from all kinds of witchy and new-age groups to speak/visit their cons/etc.

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[info]vorpal
2008-01-29 05:12 am UTC (link)
Ugh... Miss Toronto Tourism even says this on their "Promotions" page:

Miss Toronto Tourism promotes Charities, Events, Tourism and Multiculturalism in the City of Toronto.


What a crock. Multiculturalism as long as you're an adherent to an Abrahamic faith, apparently.

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[info]swisscelt
2008-01-29 05:31 am UTC (link)
(By the way, adding you so I don't have to keep unscreening your comments. I'm lazy that way. ;-) Plus, you've always been pretty cool.)

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[info]vorpal
2008-01-29 05:53 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the add! I've always enjoyed reading your posts on the communities we've had in common. I look forward to reading more of your stuff!

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[info]acelightning
2008-01-29 07:54 am UTC (link)
I see that the story has been posted to The Witches' Voice. I hope every Wiccan in Toronto - every Wiccan in Canada! - declares their disgust with this narrow-minded god-botherer. I've only been to Toronto once, but what I saw was a multi-ethnic, multi-lifestyle, open-minded and -hearted city; I can't believe that Ms. Murray represents the true spirit of Toronto.

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[info]siliconshaman
2008-01-29 08:21 am UTC (link)
Given that Ms Murry is a former Miss Teen America, I suspect she's not native to Toronto. Possibly even a recent immigrant.

And really, all the articles I've found so far have ranged between WTF to Hell No! Aside from one in a Southern baptist church newsletter.

[google is my friend.]

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[info]einatlanta
2008-01-29 02:05 pm UTC (link)
WTF? I've been to Canada. I enjoyed what I felt was a lack of religous crazy up there. Of course, I'm also attending a gay wedding in Vancouver next fall, so maybe it's the good company I keep.

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[info]vorpal
2008-01-29 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Sorry for the stream of e-mails, but I found this amusing: apparently, not all the organizations listed on the Miss Tourism Toronto page are actually sponsors of the pageant at all, given this reply I received from Mary Kay cosmetics:

Mary Kay has never sponsored this event and under no circumstances are we supporters of the organization; moreover, we are working with our Legal Team to ensure our logo is removed from all references to Miss Toronto Tourism.

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[info]swisscelt
2008-01-29 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Very, very nice. This loon is about to find herself without a loonie to her name. ;-)

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[info]foxesdaughter
2008-01-29 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Seychelles Swimwear is actually quite close to my place - email has been sent to the owner, awaiting response.

Please, please, please - as a pagan and a Toronto resident, just trust me on this one - they are whackjobs, and NOT indicative of the rest of the folk :-(

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[info]swisscelt
2008-01-29 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Well, of course. I was trying to say that, in part: Toronto is just about the LEAST likely city to have someone like this as a self-appointed representative of tourism.

But you see what's happening, don't you? Even the threat of boycott is working wonders in this case. I'm not a big fan of boycotts, but they are effective in cases like this where public outrage is much more acute than justice. Plus, boycotts are a relatively peaceful way of venting that outrage.

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[info]crowfirestorm
2008-01-29 09:05 pm UTC (link)
{grrrrr}

breathing through my nose ....

This lady gives Assholes a bad name.

Oh crap ... was that out loud ?

Sorry.

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[info]theamaranth
2008-01-30 12:11 am UTC (link)
Reiki is occult?

AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

what the fuck is this bitch talking about? Reiki is basically an massage and energy technique!!

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[info]vorpal
2008-01-30 03:45 am UTC (link)
Hahaha! Check out their freshly updated sponsors page! Apparently, more than one of the listed members had never even heard of this event, much less given them money:

Le click!

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[info]swisscelt
2008-01-30 08:24 am UTC (link)
Oh, man! Just two more to go...

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[info]theamaranth
2008-01-30 02:08 pm UTC (link)
bro, fantastic. this will teach organizations to hire well-qualified and well-rounded humans.

she can say whatever the hell she wants to say. don't get me wrong. but we as people also have the right to RESPOND to her words accordingly.

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